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  • Saturday, April 30, 2005

    Remembering US atrocities in Vietnam

    The San Francisco Chronicle reflects on US atrocities in Vietnam, and on the aggressors' eventual defeat:

    The U.S. bombing in Vietnam has been estimated to have been about four times greater than the combined U.S. and British bombing of Germany in World War II. U.S. napalm bombing and the use of herbicides in Vietnam scarred much of the landscape. The effects of the defoliant Agent Orange resulted in human deformities and cancers, monstrosities that will probably linger in Vietnam for generations to come. Atrocities were perpetrated by troops on all sides. Cold-blooded killings of civilians and the decimation of entire villages, hamlets and towns left a war-ravaged landscape filled with the wailing and suffering of the human casualties of the war. The United States, too, was scarred, its idealism tarnished by the anti-communist propaganda that fueled the conflict.
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    At 4/30/2005 11:06:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    The United States, too, was scarred, its idealism tarnished by the anti-communist propaganda that fueled the conflict.

    Tarnished by the blatantly treasonous behaviour of its so-called elites in the media playing the "useful idiot" role so well for the Soviets and their proxies whether in Vietnam, Paris or Prague '68.

    The US election last November was interesting, so many Vietnamese in the US finding Kerry so abhorrent a candidate.

    At 5/01/2005 03:27:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

    Again, a useful idiot is one who takes their own state's nationalist version of history as the word of God.

    I cannot help but notice how studiously you have avoided mentioning the atrocities committed in Viet Nam...

    At 5/01/2005 05:25:00 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    There were atrocities on all sides as happens in wartime however the VC behaviour toward village chiefs, educated people etc who didn't support them was extreme. Remember the mass graves found in Hue after a short VC occupation in Tet-68. Ask some boat people why they left, where the rest of their families may be.
    The Viet Minh may have been primarily nationalist in the 50s but their true colours showed later.

    At 5/01/2005 11:44:00 am, Blogger Voice 1 said...

    Anonymous, you seem to forget, the US is supposedly a "civilised society". I don't think the rogue regime in Washington can claim that title, any more than the former regime in Iraq could claim it.

    At 5/01/2005 12:38:00 pm, Blogger DJEB said...

    There were atrocities on all sides - but one side was far better at them.

    At 5/01/2005 04:30:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Chomsky, why doesn't he emigrate instead of insulting the very society that gave refuge to his family ?

    At 5/01/2005 10:28:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Walter Cronkite won it for the North Vietnamese regime.

    If that treacherous buffoon had been at Normandy in 1944, wurde ich Deutsch viel besser verstehen.


    At 5/02/2005 04:29:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

    I guess you don't know much about Chomsky, anon.

    He often states why he lives in the U.S.A. He says it is the freest nation in the world. It's hard to miss, too. It's even in print in his most recent book. Of course, to the totalitarian mind, any reflections on the crimes of one's own state automatically mean that one hates his own state.

    Allan, thanks for showing us more right-wing websites, but I think the "balance" guy is going to object to you doing so...

    At 5/03/2005 04:10:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    You've been brainwashed by the revisionist stuff you quote. Read the accounts of the time, VC gave bamboo shoot suppositories to village headmen who wouldn't cooperate. Perhaps the most telling thing was Tet 1968, the VC firmly believed the peasants would rise with them and throw the round eyes into the sea.
    Guess what, it didn't happen, instead the VC got wiped out as a fighting force altho' the western press reported it as a US defeat. More leftist treason.

    At 5/04/2005 08:16:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

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    At 5/04/2005 08:17:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

    As I said, there were atrocities on both sides. Naturally though, the official history written by "acceptable" intelliectuals will tell a nationalist history (see Censoring History: Citizenship and Memory in Japan, Germany, and the United States edited by Laura Elizabeth Hein).

    I noticed that you refuse to even acknowledge the crimes committed in the war by the U.S., let alone the fact that the U.S. itself admitted that the problem they had in Vietnam was the overwhelming support the population had for the communists. No problem in and of its own - particularly when one looks at U.S. backing of butchers worldwide past and present (some of which is currently highlighted on the front page of this very website). The problem was one of Vietnamese self-determination. This would interfere with, as the Pentagon Papers pointed out, the "supreme importance to the United States controlling such products as rubber, tin and other commodities."

    PS. I like the juvenile crack about treason. Keep it up, it makes you look as ridiculous as Ann Coulter.

    At 5/05/2005 04:30:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Self determination, yes perhaps. But cloaked in a planned communist expansion in SE Asia. There were indeed wrongs on the US side but the overall cause was just. Revisionist histories don't get it, you have to have been around at the time.

    At 5/05/2005 04:53:00 pm, Blogger DJEB said...

    Ah, the old domino theory. Never mind that nations choosing a state communist, state capitalist or any other model is the definition of self determintion. Never mind that China had already turned communist. And certainly of course never mind the millions killed by the U.S. in the U.S. war on Southest Asia (we don't even know down to the nearest million how many where killed). Never mind that the U.S. has and is supporting its share of tyrannical governments and, as the Pentagon Papers reveals, was only interested in "controlling such products as rubber, tin and other commodities." And never mind that you have yet to provide any evidence to refute the "revisionist histories," ie. the Pentagon itself. Oh, and never mind that I was around at the time.


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