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  • Thursday, April 28, 2005

    Immigrants pay more in taxes

    This report from Politics.co.uk: Immigrants pay more tax than British

    A study from the Institute of Public Policy Research (IPPR) calculates that although the migrant workforce comprises less than nine per cent of the population, it contributes over ten per cent of the income tax collected.
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    At 4/29/2005 05:28:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    So ?
    Most interest in curbing (legal)immigration is cultural not economic.

    At 4/29/2005 05:49:00 pm, Blogger DJEB said...

    It reminds me of something Tim Wise wrote of an argument he had with a racist. The racist said that he would gladly go back to $1.50 a day if he could have segregation back. If that is not an extreme example of mental illness, I don't know what is.

    At 4/29/2005 07:02:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Are you saying that it is 'racist' to have restrictions on immigration?


    At 4/29/2005 07:40:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Allan, DJEB's comment was a prime example of attitudes deplored here. Also posted under "New Statesman .. " heading on this site.
    but, hemmed in by the tightening constraints of politically permissible debate, to produce feeble dissent around the margins of a vast consensus whose core no one dare challenge. unless you like being called racist, sexist for daring to raise non-PC subjects..

    At 4/30/2005 02:09:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

    Sorry that my comment was over your heads.

    The first poster had pointed out that "Most interest in curbing (legal)immigration is cultural not economic." My first association with that was something that Tim Wise had written about regarding an argument he had with a man who cared more about returning to his mythological ideal segregated past than making an income large enough to survive for more than 3 days in a row.

    That's it. An association, Allan. An association I had regarding the first person's post; and that association says only what it says - no more, no less.

    To the final poster, having said all that, I find your comments to be...

    At 4/30/2005 02:28:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    To put it another way, do you associate yourself with the view that curbs on immigration are 'racist'?


    At 4/30/2005 03:31:00 pm, Blogger DJEB said...

    Where are from, another planet? Read what I said. And then read it again 35 more times.

    And since even that won't work, I'll say this, racism is very often used as the motivation to push ahead campaigns to put curbs on immigration - hence my association with the first person's post. That, however, does not necessarily mean that a move to curb immigration is racist. If you still have trouble, let me know and I'll pull out the sock puppets.

    At 5/01/2005 09:48:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    So which measures would be 'racist'? Are the citizens of Arizona who are now monitoring the hitherto unpatrolled border with Mexico racist, or are they maybe just a bit exasperated by the failure of Federal Govt to do its job?


    At 5/02/2005 05:18:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

    It is quite simple: things are racist when they have a racist motivation behind them. If you want to keep out a foreign race because it is foreign, that is a racist motivation. Any "minute men" who want to keep out Latinos because they are Latinos - and there are plenty among them that have this motivation, I'm sure - then they are racist.

    Do I need to explain it in full-on sock-puppet mode?

    At 5/03/2005 05:43:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

    I guess not.

    At 5/03/2005 06:26:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I want to keep out Poles, Czechs and Russians because they undercut the pay rates of my fellow citizens. Am I racist?


    At 5/04/2005 07:38:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

    Only those groups but not other groups that do the same thing? - and there are other groups who do the same thing. Then that is not the only reason you want to keep them out, Allan.

    If you really want to increase pay rates, you'd be better off petitioning for lowered interest rates. Reducing the "natural rate of unemployment" would give workers greater bargaining power. Getting active in unionising wouldn't hurt either.


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