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  • Tuesday, March 29, 2005

    1 killed, 1 injured in shooting incident

    From PhillyBurbs.com: 1 killed, 1 hurt in Wawa shooting

    When they got noisy and were kicked out of the motel, they crossed the highway to the Wawa gas station and convenience store, according to Gibbons. Shortly before 2 a.m. the crowd of young men got into a fight in the parking lot of the store with a 24-year-old man they didn't know, police said. It was unclear how the fight started, but Gibbons said the 24-year-old was beaten before he pulled a gun and shot Matt Taylor, 19, of Mayfair and another Philadelphian, 18.
    Most likely some of the youths involved will also decide to carry guns now. See all recent "A Logical Voice" posts

    18 Comments:

    At 3/30/2005 05:46:00 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    From the short report it appears the shooter had a "carry" permit as permitted in Pennsylvania (subject to the law's requirements of course), and finally used his legal gun to defend himself, which might be a crime in UK but other places are more rational.

     
    At 3/30/2005 09:18:00 am, Blogger Voice 1 said...

    The only trouble with that rationale, is that those who may not have carried guns previously may now decide to carry them, leading to an increase in shootings.

     
    At 3/30/2005 10:16:00 am, Blogger Jez said...

    Is it not so that the US has more guns AND more gun crimes than other countries? Can anyone confirm this? Ok, lots of guns=Risk of being shot=better carry a gun=more shooting=risk of being shot=better carry a gun...

     
    At 3/30/2005 11:24:00 am, Blogger Voice 1 said...

    Thanks for the comment Jez, I posted an article only the other day which stated that there are 30,000 people a year killed by guns in the US. That's 10 times the number of people who died on the 11th September 2001, and yet the Bush regime doesn't want to do anything about the rising gun violence.

     
    At 3/30/2005 04:04:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Believe me, in general there's more gun carrying "yobs" on the streets than law-abiding citizens. This will do absolutely nothing to change that.

    For all the "experts" elsewhere regarding US gun laws or lack thereof, there's many gun laws on the books already that are inadequately enforced..then there's also something called the second amendment to the US Constitution to consider.

    Remember, in the UK it was easy and legal to own firearms up until the end of WW2 approx. Has crime decreased since then ?

     
    At 3/30/2005 06:51:00 pm, Blogger DJEB said...

    Is a yob anything like a hoser?

    At any rate, I think you are on to something when you hint at lack of enforcement. I don't think that my brother has ever been checked to see if he stores his 2 pistols or his rifle correctly, but he does keep them locked at all times when not in use.

    One point that is in no way controversial, however, is the fact that if you have a gun in the house, the chances of you or a family member being hurt or injuryed by gunfire rises dramatically. Logically, to be safer, one would keep guns out of their home.

    As for the Second Amendment, it refers to militias:

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

     
    At 3/30/2005 08:12:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Federal Court Cases Re 2nd Amendment

    Including the collective ("militia") right vs individual right issue.

    Personally I have no trouble with existing laws in the US as long as they are enforced. What we don't need is more "cosmetic" legislation like like so-called Assault Weapon Ban (thankfully expired) or, in the UK, proposals to ban knives, airguns, paper darts, catapults, fishing, looking weird, etc that the nanny state would love to pass to make the PC-saturated public ever more dependent upon them.

     
    At 3/30/2005 09:20:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Jez, interesting piece (dated 2001)regarding your question on NRA site:
    Gun Laws, Culture, Justice & Crime In Foreign Countries

     
    At 3/31/2005 04:13:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

    Ah, the good ol' NRA. Guns for anyone - even terrorist - is there moto.


    ...the Justice Department's recently revised position on the scope of the Second Amendment.

    The new position, that the Constitution broadly protects the rights of individuals to own guns, replaced the view, endorsed by the great majority of courts, that the amendment protects a collective right of the states to maintain militias.




    WASHINGTON - May 7 [2002] - Michael D. Barnes, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, today blasted U.S. Attorney General Ashcroft's official reversal of the United State's long-standing position on the Second Amendment. The new position -- which was included as a footnote in two U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) briefs that were filed with the U.S. Supreme Court on Monday, May 6 -- reflects Ashcroft's personal view that the Second Amendment "broadly protects the rights of individuals" to possess firearms. This directly contradicts the Justice Department's position of more than 40 years that the Second Amendment confers a collective right to bear arms in the context of a state-sponsored militia.

     
    At 3/31/2005 08:18:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Sometimes a certain sound is a sufficient deterrent !

    Rack it !

     
    At 4/01/2005 02:56:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

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    At 4/01/2005 02:58:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

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    At 4/01/2005 03:02:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

    Then all one would need would be an infra-red sensor connected to a digital player that plays the sound of a round being chambered into the barrel of a gun. In that way, one would not be putting oneself or one's family in danger by bringing a firearm into the home.

    Push it!

     
    At 4/01/2005 05:00:00 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    A cop told my wife once that that sound will take care of many intrusions - especially if clearly heard in the dark.

    Recently I also read that the laser "red dot" beams work very well against the casual intruder - the sight of that little dot on his chest has a definite inhibiting effect LOL. (Remember the movie "Predator" where the alien lit a laser red dot on a soldier's torso just before vaporising him).

     
    At 4/01/2005 11:27:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

    That's certainly safer than having a gun in the house...

     
    At 8/01/2005 03:49:00 am, Blogger PuPc485 said...

    Okay, first I would like to say if this MAN wasnt carrying a gun then this Child would not be dead. I have a little brother whos only 19 and he is only a boy. If this man was mature he would have left when they boys went into Wawa. Why did her wait in the parking lot for them to come out? Also, liscence to carry DOESN'T mean liscense to kill.

     

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