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  • Saturday, February 26, 2005

    Guantanamo Briton worked with anti Saddam Kurds

    From the BBC: Guantanamo inmate breaks silence

    Moazzam Begg, from Birmingham, told Channel 4 News that he went to observe a base run by the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance for two weeks in 1993. In 1998 he said he visited a camp run by Kurds opposing Saddam Hussein.
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    17 Comments:

    At 2/26/2005 04:35:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Moazzam Begg, from Birmingham, told Channel 4 News that he went to observe a base run by the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance for two weeks in 1993.

    In 1998 he said he visited a camp run by Kurds opposing Saddam Hussein.

    I'll propose that he was on a spying mission for OBL and was reporting to his boss when he was captured. As a Muslim, he is allowed to tell any lie he wants in order to advance the interests of his cause.

    allan@aberdeen

     
    At 2/26/2005 04:54:00 pm, Blogger Voice 1 said...

    You know for a fact this particular man is lying do you?

     
    At 2/26/2005 10:30:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    No more than you do!

    allan@aberdeen

     
    At 2/27/2005 09:43:00 am, Blogger Voice 1 said...

    Exactly, whereas, I have just quoted from an article though, you have gone on to speculate based on your own blind prejudices.

     
    At 2/27/2005 10:31:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

    A common occurance, Voice.

     
    At 2/27/2005 01:39:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    This 'family man' Moazzam Begg, was so dedicted to his family that he holidayed without his family in Kurdistan, Iraq, and Afghanistan in areas where violence is a daily occurrence, and you are so blind as to call anyone who queries MB's presumed innocence as 'prejudiced'. I don't pre-judge Mb - the circumstances of his arraignment and recent travels speak volumes.

    allan@aberdeen

     
    At 2/27/2005 03:26:00 pm, Blogger Voice 1 said...

    You already have prejudged the man, saying he is a liar, along of course with your statement that all other Muslims are liars as well.

    That despite the fact that British police saw absolutely no reason to detain the man and torture him for years, without any charges or real trial when he returned to this country, as is claimed happened previously.

     
    At 2/27/2005 05:41:00 pm, Blogger DJEB said...

    "along of course with your statement that all other Muslims are liars as well."

    A comment, I might add, which showed how ignorant allan is of the Muslim faith and how despirate he is to smear all Muslims. Of course this is the man who seems to feel that killing off all Muslims may be a required (ie. acceptable) course of action:

    'EG wrote - Free speech is "I think militant Islam is a danger." Incitement is "I think militant Islam is a danger, therefore let's kill the buggers before they kill us."'

    'This 'incitement' may become a necessity.'
    Posted by Allan@Aberdeen at December 9, 2004 12:21 AM
    http://www.samizdata.net/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=7024

     
    At 2/27/2005 06:14:00 pm, Blogger Voice 1 said...

    And Allan claims he wasn't the BNP supporting poster.

     
    At 2/27/2005 08:04:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    For clarification, the blog manager can confirm (if Voice is willing to check) that I was not the poster supporting the BNP on the neighbouring article. As for the "incitement" issue, the van Gogh murder caused some consternation - you do know who Theo van Gogh was? If such events occur on a more frequent basis, and indications are that only good intelligence has prevented "big ones" then there would be a case for making the intentions of Islam towards the West more widely known to the non-Muslim inhabitants, for their own protection. These intentions are discussed regularly on Egyptian TV where Imam al-Qaradawi has lain his plans on the table - you do know who Imam al-Qaradawi is?

    allan@aberdeen

     
    At 2/28/2005 04:04:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

    You didn't make the post? Sure. You are not the only one around here who could have made it.

    As for Theo van Gogh, yes, I know. His murder hardly warrants the extermination of 1 billion people, though.

    Oh, and as there are a billion Muslims, no, don't know them all and didn't know Yusuf al Qaradawi, but do now. So, because this one imam issues some fatwa that are controversial (very much so for most people of the planet, I suspect), all of Islam is then guilty? Al Qaradawi himself points out that two different fatwa can be contradictory.

    By the way, did you know that, in addition to his more controversial quotes (many, if not all, I disagree with), al Qaradawi said ""Islam calls for democracy and grants people the right to choose their governor" and "Free integral elections should be guaranteed, where values of justice and rule of law also prevail," that he regularly quotes Muhammed words "Extremism destroyed those before you" and "has denounced terrorism in the name of Islam"? At any rate, his more controversial words are no grounds for genocide.

     
    At 2/28/2005 08:20:00 am, Blogger Voice 1 said...

    Allan, I was teasing. I know there are others with a similar outlook to yourself who post here.

    And as i've said in the past, there are Mulsims who live in my area, and other areas close by, and I don't see them rising up, murdering their friends and neighbours. (Although obviously you don't like multiculturalism, so this may come as a shock)

     
    At 2/28/2005 09:51:00 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Who on this site is advocating the extermination of 1 billion Muslims?
    This is getting a bit out of hand.
    As for the BNP, you'll have discerned by now that I am a supporter (generally) of Israel; you will be informed enough to know that the BNP is not.

    allan@aberdeen

     
    At 2/28/2005 02:11:00 pm, Blogger DJEB said...

    'EG wrote - Free speech is "I think militant Islam is a danger." Incitement is "I think militant Islam is a danger, therefore let's kill the buggers before they kill us."'

    'This 'incitement' may become a necessity.'Posted by Allan@Aberdeen at December 9, 2004 12:21 AM
    http://www.samizdata.net/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=7024

    Does this have some sort of esoteric meaning?

     
    At 2/28/2005 05:51:00 pm, Blogger Voice 1 said...

    Allan, the question is not do you support another nation, the question really is, would you put another nation's interests before our own country's interests?

     
    At 2/28/2005 09:48:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Some people obviously don't have real work to do. I had to check way back as to what would have caused me to put out such an alarming post on samizdata. Here it is - in German but then, they know what Nazism is.
    http://www.schule.dk/islam/islam.htm

    As for the interests of the nation, there are those who are saying that it is in our national interest not to be a nation, but rather to be subsumed within the EU. This is illogical, but I suspect that your question was directed more at our perceived closeness to the US. No, I don't think that it is in our interests to become the 51st state.

    allan@aberdeen

     
    At 3/01/2005 07:24:00 am, Blogger DJEB said...

    You don't have real work to do, allan?

    Sorry, I don't speak German. All I know how to say is "Wiener shnitzel (sp?) is better with honey and milk." Not very helpful in this case. But the link does not surprise me as you do like to mention the term "islamofascism" every now and them.

    It is impressive that you know so many sites that portray Muslims in a negative light. Funny, I've seen a lot of sites showing the photos of the IDF's handiwork and the handiwork of crazed West Bank settlers, but somehow I don't see the need to try to use them to portray all Jews in a negative light.

    On national interests, I suspect that those who say it would be better for the nation to be under EU rule, they mean to say that it would be better for the people of the nation, not the institution of the nation state. While this position is debatable, it is not illogical.

     

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